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Friday, February 1, 2008 | 4:31pm

Super Tuesday Debate: Who Won from the Black Professional’s Standpoint

Posted by Juan

The first head to head clash (debate) between Senators Obama and Clinton took place Thursday evening at LA’s Kodak Theatre and I was keeping score.  I say a clash because the event almost seemed like a long-awaited heavyweight.  Even the announcer introduced each contender as if he were Michael Buffer about to say “Lets Get […]

Debate

The first head to head clash (debate) between Senators Obama and Clinton took place Thursday evening at LA’s Kodak Theatre and I was keeping score.  I say a clash because the event almost seemed like a long-awaited heavyweight.  Even the announcer introduced each contender as if he were Michael Buffer about to say “Lets Get Ready to Ruummmmbleee!”

However for all the pre-fight theatrics it was fairly tame and disappointing given the buildup.  Hillary and Barack seemed more to be sharing high tea then mudslinging as in the previous debate.  The mature discussion took on a party endorsement tone reinforcing the point that voting Democrat is a win-win situation.  I’ll try and break down the events in abbreviated “Cliff Notes” version and try to determine a winner.

Endorsement

IRAQ WAR:
I think Obama’s most striking blow was delivered in his remarks the war stating, “I think I will be the Democrat who will be most effective in going up against a John McCain, or any other Republican — because they all want basically a continuation of George Bush’s policies…I will offer a clear contrast as somebody who never supported this war, thought it was a bad idea. I don’t want to just end the war, but I want to end the mindset that got us into war in the first place.”

Hillary did what she could under the circumstances to combat her vote FOR the war. “You know, I’ve said many times if I had known then what I know now, I never would have given President Bush the authority.  It was a sincere vote based on my assessment at the time and what I believed he would do with the authority he was given.  He abused that authority; he misused that authority. I warned at the time it was not authority for a preemptive war. Nevertheless, he went ahead and waged one, which has led to the position we find ourselves in today.”

Sen. Obama’s clear opposition to the war from the very beginning makes him the winner on the issue. 

EXPERIENCE:
Sen. Clinton has said that Sen. Obama was not comparable to the late President John F. Kennedy or Martin Luther King, Jr. However this strategy may have backfired as it sparked a strong endorsement from the late President’s daughter, Caroline Kennedy and his brother Ted Kennedy.

“You know, Ted Kennedy said that he is confident that we will get universal health care with me as president, and he’s been working on it longer than I think about than anybody,” noted Sen. Obama. “That’s what I did in Illinois, to provide insurance for people who did not have it. That’s what I will do in bringing all parties together, not negotiating behind closed doors, but bringing all parties together…”

Sen. Clinton later shoots back to Sen. Obama that she too is endorsed by members of the Kennedy family saying, “Well, I have the greatest respect for Senator Kennedy and the Kennedy family. And I’m proud to have three of Senator Robert Kennedy’s children, Bobby and Kathleen and Kerry, supporting me.”

Weak Argument Hil…Advantage Obama

IMMIGRATIONS EFFECT ON UNEMPLOYMENT (Particularly in the Black Community)

Kim Millman from Burnsville, MN raised the question that “there’s been no acknowledgement by any of the presidential candidates of the negative economic impact of immigration on the African-American community. How do you propose to address the high unemployment rates and the declining wages in the African-American community that are related to the flood of immigrant labor?”

“Well, let me first of all say that I have worked on the streets of Chicago As an organizer with people who have been laid off from steel plants, black, white, Hispanic, Asian,” Sen. Obama responded.  “Before the latest round of immigrants showed up, you had huge unemployment rates among African-American youth.  And, so, I think to suggest somehow that the problem that we’re seeing in inner-city unemployment, for example, is attributable to immigrants, I think, is a case of scapegoating that I do not believe in, I do not subscribe to.”

Clinton clearly has the upperhand here because as she stated she’s been pushing for immigration reform since before Obama was in Senate.  “I believe that in many parts of our country,” She said.  Because of employers who exploit undocumented workers and drive down wages, there are job losses. And I think we should be honest about that.”

Though she didn’t do much in terms of helping her case, I give Clinton the nod. 

HEALTHCARE.

The two Sens kicked off their debate by squaring off on the issue of healthcare.

“I believe absolutely, passionately that we must have universal health care. It is a moral responsibility and a right for our country,” Clinton said.

Clinton proposes mandated individual health insurance for everyone while Obama wants a national health insurance program for individuals who do not have employer-provided healthcare and do not qualify for government programs.  If they sound the same its because they pretty much are.

Obama clarifies the difference stating  ”I emphasize reducing costs. My belief is that if we make it affordable, if we provide subsidies to those who can’t afford it, they will buy it.”

This issue is most important to me personally because as a business owner who doesn’t have insurance I most certainly am interested in how each candidate will address my situation.  Lets call this one a draw.

Honestly I feel both of these candidates have exhibited strong platforms on key issues.  They have shown that they both have the credentials to run the country and direct the recovery and rescue operation in the wake of an 8 year Hurricane George (Bush.)  Defeat is never easy, especially for a proud and competitive politician, but if they could find a way to burry the hatchet and consider running together for the Presidency, our country could be looking forward to much brighter days ahead…in that case we don’t need to announce a winner or looser because we all win.

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Comment by malcolm
2008-02-01 17:55:35

I’ll give him credit for using a historical democratic talking point against hillary last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtYhy_qqykM

 
Comment by S Dot Stylus
2008-02-01 18:24:37

Great point Malcom. I think if she looses that will be her downfall. Her vote for the war.

 
Comment by malcolm
2008-02-01 18:46:17

I think it was a wonderfully subtle move on Obama’s part. The entire democratic party has hung that Condi quote around the republicans for years. It’s impossible for them to deny the same logic when it applies to them.

This, along with the “holding of the chair” incident is making me think that Obama is nowhere near the amateur people are making him out to be.

Of course there’s also the question of Clinton’s polarizing effect. As a person who has voted republican in the last 6 elections, I can tell you this: I would wait in line to vote for Obama, but I would NEVER vote for Hillary.

 
Comment by S Dot Stylus
2008-02-01 19:29:07

wow…strong statement there Malcolm. I’m a Democrat who has absolutely no regrets when voting Republican if I feel the candidate fits more in line with my beliefs but for you to make such a statement makes me really think. Thanks.

 
Comment by malcolm
2008-02-01 20:08:02

I apologize for what will be a long post, but I have a lot on my mind, and I think it’s important to get the message out before Tuesday:

My first real political experience was as a young man working on the local Reagan ’84 campaign.

The power of Ronald Reagan wasn’t his policies. Frankly, his policies were pretty weak. His strength came from the fact that he was optimistic, and INCLUSIVE.

After years of Carter, stagflation, the energy crisis, and guilt over Vietnam (both the war and the way we treated the returning soldiers), America was in a serious funk. We had the hostage crisis in our face everyday, and America looked like a once-great nation.

Then Ronnie came along, and told us it was OK to be Americans. The boom that started with his administration didn’t come from his policies, it came from the way he raised our spirits. This, I think, is similar to what FDR did when he told us that the only thing we had to fear was fear itself; and it is what JFK did when he called on the younger generation to step up to the plate.

Starting with Newt, and up until now, both parties have been in an “either-or” stance. Members of the opposing party are view as “enemies”, and it has even become dangerous to acknowledge the ideas of the opposition.

If any of the other candidates win (Mitt, McCain, Hillary, Huckabee), I fear it is going to be more of the same; because each of them have either participated in this splintering, or have issues of their own that will splinter the populous.

In my mind, Obama is different. He has already expressed his intention to accept votes from independent republicans; his history is short enough to where he’s not in the pocket of the establishment, and he has the rock star magic that America needs right now.

I don’t agree with some of his policies, but that doesn’t matter to me. The mere fact of his being elected will be enough to bring the country back together. He would be a breath of fresh air that would sweep away decades of cobwebs; and his campaign would shake both parties back into reality.

You’ve titled this column as being from the “black professional”, so I will give you my opinion as a “white professional”:

There is a large segment of the white population who has been BEGGING for the opportunity to vote for a qualified black candidate. The last serious black candidate we had was Jackson. He went nowhere; not because he is black, but because he’s a dumb-a*s.

Shelby Steele may be correct in his book “A Bound Man” that white people like Obama because he provides an unspoken agreement to take white people at their word without assuming racism.

He may also be right that white America loves Obama because he provides an opportunity for whites to buy off their guilt.

I’m sure some of that is true in my case; but I have a further motive: I believe in the American dream. I believe that America is still the best opportunity for an individual to rise based on the power of his MIND alone.

Having spent the better part of my career working as the “token white man” in a minority-controlled business and city (Detroit); I know that in reality, that the difference isn’t between white and black; it is between rich and poor; and optimistic and pessimistic.

A President Obama would be the greatest step forward to equal rights in a generation. It would show a generation of children that America is STILL the land of opportunity.

Sure, I know Bill Clinton is suppose to be the “first black president.” But I’d be willing to bet that between Bill and Obama, only one of them has ever missed a heartbeat when being polled over by the police in the middle of the night.

So, from this republican white man to any democrat who wants to listen to me, I say this:

If you nominate Hillary, even with Obama in the VP position, you will lose the election by a slim margin.

If you nominate Obama, with anyone as VP except Hillary, you will win the greatest landslide since Reagan ’84.

 
Comment by S Dot Stylus
2008-02-03 00:14:57

Right on Malcolm. Bravo your comments hit the nail in the head. I Guess I should have titled the post from a YOUNG Black Professional point of view. I was trying to put a face to my perspective.

You hit on two VERY IMPORTANT POINTS…One that the “Rock Star” is what this country needs. We need to believe in the office of the presidency again…look up to it and not talk sh*t about it. I think the fact that Obama has the ear of everyone and is not bogged down in years of old political relationships is very important because he’ll do what he feels is RIGHT (even if its wrong) and not be motivated by special interests.

Your second point is that he believes in inclusion. This country is so splintered. White vs. Black, Young vs. Old, Big Business vs. Small Business…there’s too much polarization. Yes, prejeduce is a reality in all of us but we need to be able to understand our differences and be accepting. We are all Americans living a similar American Dream lets not getting in the way of the next mans persuit to obtain it.

You all should check out Malcolm’s blog at malcolmrant.blogspot.com

Good Sh*t Malcolm!

 
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